MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. MORRISON: Andrew's best friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, suddenly, just knew what he had begun as a small film to memorialize his old friend. The show takes four couples who are having trouble in their relationship and separates them from one another. He was beautiful and looked just like Andrew. Turner grew up in Canada, where she married and divorced two men and had three children who often lived with their fathers and other relatives. MORRISON: Zachary Andrew Turner, the son of murder victim Andrew, Bagby and his accused killer Shirley Turner, was born on July 18th 2002, eight, months after the young doctor's murder. Their bodies were later washed up on a beach. (Supreme Court building; Shirley being escorted from court; photos of Kate and. MORRISON: Ah, but there was a lot to say about Andrew. The provincial court has tightened bail regulations, but has not eliminated bail for murder suspects. The pain of having lost not only their son but now also their grandson was too much to bear. And one, of the first to see her there was T.J. Shears, the eldest of Shirley's three. MORRISON: But would that somebody turn out to be a blessing or a curse? We couldn't let the authorities who let this happen get away with it. Save 50% on 1 when you buy 2 Shop items. Really? Not only do you get the whole story of how the justice system failed, but Dave goes on to explain how it should be fixed. The rest of the documentary details the fallout of this tragedy, including Kate and David's activism changed bail laws for suspects of dangerous crimes. See rank. We use your sign-up to provide content in the ways you've consented to and improve our understanding of you. For three seasons now, Temptation Island has been a social experiment to see if long-term couples are able to fix their broken relationships by going on an island full of attractive singles. Father murdered. "This was our goal," said Bagby. Then she killed his brother. If I, just kill her, Zachary will be safe. One for such a wonderful young man that you raised. I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. Cpl. My heart aches for Kate and David Bagby. "They are appalled and outraged.". Andrew Bagby broke up with Shirley but she lured him to an isolated location where she shot him 5 times. KATE: On Sunday night I got out of bed and prayed because I thought Andrew was at risk. But in January 2003, the legal system confounded their expectations yet again. I didn't have. Kate and David were robbed of their son and grandson, and the world was robbed of a great Dr. and person. At 3am on Monday, August 18, Turner drove to a near by marina . Meeting her at 6. But before that could happen, Shirley was apparently deemed neither, dangerous nor a flight risk and almost immediately released on bail, most of, it posted by one of her mentors from med school, a psychiatrist to whom she'd, gone for treatment after Andrew's murder. children, who had recently been in a bad car accident. MORRISON: So different from who Andrew really was, a kind, devoted son who made Eagle Scout at 15. (Photo of Shirley; Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary), Mr. SHEARS: There was a conversation one time she had with me and Erica, in, regards to if something ever happened to her and she had to go to jail or. "Nobody wants to do it, but you have to do it.". If they had awarded custody to the Bagbys and not granted that monster bail Zachary would be a young man and Shirley Turner would be serving her sentence in a Pennsylvania Women's Prison. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. Instead they focused on their physician sons legacy, while contemplating ways to honor his memory. Two days later, at 5.30am, Turner turned up at his Penntment, sylvania apartment, having driven 16 hours to see him. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) That you aren't trying to take my place. MORRISON: But as Kurt made his way around the globe, his tribute materialized into something far bigger, and much darker, than anyone could have imagined. I didnt know Americans could quote Shakespeare.'. don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. Mr. BAGBY: And part of Andrew's problem was, I think, he was just too nice to say, you know, `Get the hell out of my life. The Bagbys could scarcely believe. (Canadian flags; Newfoundland; lake and coast; man in coat; photos of Shirley, and Zachary; Kate, David and Zachary; Shirley, Kate and Zachary; Supreme Court, building; photos of David, Kate, Zachary and Shirley), Mr. BAGBY: Dealing with Turner was like, I don't know, walking around with. The first time I had to go into a room with her, David says. And so he set out to collect the memories of Andrew's family and giant circle of friends. I think it was supposed to be just a brief college romance, says Kurt Kuenne, Andrews close friend since first grade at St. Andrews School in Saratoga. "We had to deal with her to get to Zachary.". I'm absolutely sure. I just finishes the book, and for a first-time writer I thought the writing was excellent. Some days its difficult to get out of bed, Kate, 65, says. This sad tale tells how slowly justice moved and failed to protect an innocent year old child. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I understand that. It says that Pennsylvania detectives almost immediately focused on Shirley Jane Turner. Some of her earliest memories are watching Survivor with her family and having everyone show off their best Jeff Probst impersonation. He just lit up when he saw Kate, David says. I lay in--laid there in bed a couple of times and thought, If I just kill her, Zachary will be safe. Instead, our system considers things like how recent a review is and if the reviewer bought the item on Amazon. Yes,Shirley Turner should have been innocent until proven guilty, but to be out on parole( with her sureties only needing to provide their signatures and not a red cent,another crime towards the innocent!!) She always spent time with him, and seemed to me like she was, MORRISON: Still grieving over the loss of their only son, David, and Kate Bagby had forsaken their lives in California and moved to, Newfoundland, not just to make sure justice was being served, but also to be, (Kate; David; Newfoundland; Supreme Court building; photo of Zachary), KATHERINE: There's this wonderful feeling, `I'm going to see part of Andrew. But the interview never happened and the social workers brief report was one of the last notes to ever go into Turners file. Reviewed in the United States on September 4, 2020. David Bagby speculates that this was Shirley's idea of victory: when Andrew and Zachary both rejected her, she punished them. She would never go away. Here the grandparents are making nice with the woman they believe killed their, son. They put their belongings in storage, rented out their house and moved to St. Johns, Newfoundland. It took a series of calls, but Kate eventually heard the words she so feared. He said, `The psychotic bitch. Or by navigating to the user icon in the top right. The two also had trust issues they were trying to overcome on Temptation Island,as they had both cheated on their previous partners. Its rage with me, he says. KATE: (Audio recording) Right. Zachary ends up killed by his wicked mother to spite his family and the Canadian courts, while also getting away with murdering his father. Kate and David Bagby's beloved son was murdered by a deranged ex-lover, who then announced she was carrying his baby. her. You could see Andrew in that boy. And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. In February 2002, Turners Canadian lawyer made an announcement that changed everything: Shirley Turner was pregnant with Andrew Bagbys baby. It didnt take Pennsylvania police long to put together a suspect and motive, according to the 1,100-page Turner Review and Investigation, which was commissioned by the province of Newfoundland. Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. She landed a residency at a hospital in Iowa, several states away but still close enough to allow occasional weekends with Andrew in Pennsylvania. Then you just get used to it.. We decided we have to go to Canada to watch the trial and we have to go to make sure the baby gets a good start, David says. KATE: (Zachary hugging Kate) This is your Uncle Kurt. not only is Shirley Turner never held accountable for murdering Andrew, but she's allowed to keep primary custody of Zachary, ultimately resulting in his death. decision. They recorded them. (Sea at night; photo of Shirley and Zachary; autopsy report; photo of man; photo of Shirley and Zachary; Zachary sleeping; David and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Kate just quit. He eventually moved on to a residency in Latrobe, Pa., and she went to work as a family practice doctor in Council Bluffs, Iowa. I had a son I used, (Photo of young Kate; photo of Kate and David; photo of Kate and Andrew), KATE: And then suddenly you're in the pits, and then you have to learn that, MORRISON: Two weeks after Zachary's murder, the press covered a, Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) We believe that the legal system helped her to, MORRISON: Charging the child protection authorities dropped the, ball, and that a disastrous bail system allowed a probable first-degree, (Zachary; court document; Shirley and Andrew). But on Sunday, when he drove her to the airport, Andrew made it clear to Shirley it was over for good. Their year-old grandson was killed by his mother in Newfoundland while she was out on bail awaiting an extradition decision. "She was not the woman you wanted involved with your son. MORRISON: And then, in the spring of 1995, Andrew found someone, a Newfoundlander, also a doctor in training, a woman named Shirley Turner. They sometimes visited with Zachary and Turner as if nothing had happened. They both rejected her, and she responded by killing them. Andrew Bagby, who never knew Turner was pregnant, was the father. It's great. KATE: People thought she was delicate, you know, and looked KATE: She couldn't kill. "It's a blur of emotion." Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible). would be the difference if one person weren't alive? The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. It gets a bit bogged down in legal tedium. First published in 2007, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss follows Andrew's family as they . We finally got a baby.. Man #14: I admire you and respect you so much for two things. This is tragically cut with one of Andrew's friends remembering that he was never latewhich is how he knew, when Andrew didn't arrive to his house as planned, that something was terribly wrong. So, be prepared., The emotion that was shown was beyond description, really, Snow says. He says his mother was so often, unavailable, especially from the time she started medical school. Mr. BAGBY: The police didn't give us very much information, but they started. Details aplenty as this book includes legal cases, quoted interviews, diary portions, and anything you can imagine.This is a complete emotional roller coaster so buckle up and be prepared. Anything to be with Zachary, Kate says. I said, `This woman was in town. There was an error retrieving your Wish Lists. The Hornet was just back from patrolling . Bring your club to Amazon Book Clubs, start a new book club and invite your friends to join, or find a club thats right for you for free. (Talking in group) This is not about money. The Bagbys hoping to gain custody of Zachary moved to Newfoundland and began a long, drawn-out battle in court and with Canadian social services to protect their grandson from the woman who had almost certainly murdered their son. Maybe the last time you talked to Shirley there was some very subtle change in tone. Another guy and I said, `Sure. Once, she called him 30 times while he was at a pal's wedding. MORRISON: What thought or feeling did that give you? For the Bagbys, shock might have, (Photo of David and Zachary; photo of Kate and Zachary; Shirley being escorted, from court; court documents; court exterior; court documents; Kate and David), KATE: I'd sat in the back of the room while Judge Green said to her, `I'm so, sorry, Dr. Turner, your life is on hold, and I know the law is slow.' Theyre as much in love as any couple Ive ever seen in my life, anywhere, says Andrews lifelong friend Kuenne. Mr. BAGBY: By this time we're pretty damn sure she's complete. One credit a month to pick any title from our entire premium selection yours to keep (you'll use your first credit now). Said, `Oh, no, I really can't.'. MORRISON: After you found out about Andrew's death, the impulse just ended. ", He started to cry and reached out for Kate, but Turner held him back and said firmly: "You can't always be with your grandparents.". But their efforts to safeguard him weren't enough and they saythat both the justice system and the child welfare system failed them. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on March 12, 2018, Reviewed in the United Kingdom on September 28, 2017. It was all incorrect from the beginning, that all this, innocence and everything she's told you was a lie. While the offense with which she is charged is a violent and serious one, the court ruled, it was not directed at the public at large., On Jan. 10, David says, we had to give Zachary back to her.. She was granted bail and awarded custody of the child despite the fact that she faced charges ofpremeditated murder and had fled the U.S. David and Kate Bagby moved to St. John's. She picked Zachary up and wandered for an hour or more along coastal roads and paths. I thought if I do that, I go to prison, maybe Kate. But if her claims were true, and she was carrying their grandchild, then they were clear: they wanted custody. I only live a block away.' I can understand that. The couple are still coping with the murders of their son and grandson. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son about His Father is a 2008 documentary detailing the life and death of one Dr. Andrew Bagby, a resident at a family practice in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. Murder of Bagby: Shirley Jane Turner: First-degree murder ( died before standing trial) Zachary Andrew Turner (18 July 2002 - 18 August 2003) [2] : 78 was a boy from St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada, who was murdered by his mother, Shirley Jane Turner, in a murder-suicide. Mr. KURT KUENNE (Director): I decided to go on the road to interview people, because I thought, you know, he's never going to have a wedding. I may be in Fantasyland. A man, who would not give police his name, called the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary to report that he had met Turner in a St. Johns bar and that he later had sex with her. And we came back. Cpl. The bond between, Zachary and his grandparents grew and grew, and Shirley noticed, even from, KATE: (Audio recording) I think it was one time we were on the phone or, KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah, the baby cried, and I said, `Oh, there's my, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, `Oh, my baby. Zachary enjoyed himself in the water and a couple of hours later the Bagbys drove Turner and the baby home. All the years that she was good to me as a mother was pretty much thrown out the window at the end.. Meanwhile, Kate and David's bond with Zachary grew stronger. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/DearZachary. "I will never forget that phone conversation as long as I live," says the former nurse, 66, who is originally from Rochester, Kent. It, (Photo of Shirley; Shirley, Zachary and David; photos of Shirley and Zachary). MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. Elsewhere in St. Johns, T.J. Shears, who first reported his mother and Zachary missing, was suffering his own devastation. thing, because up until Andrew was murdered, I was a Pollyanna. She worked as a doctor at the Memorial University of Newfoundland, in Canada, where Andrew trained. So far, nothing has changed - but continuing the legal battle helps give David and Kate the strength to carry on. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) This is Shirley Turner, yes. I was truly shocked when I watched it. Kurt Kuenne embarked on the documentary following the murder of his best friend, Andrew. CBC's Journalistic Standards and Practices. You know what, when Andrew didn't show up at 7:30, I knew something was very wrong. Kate, with her lovely British accent, moves between dry wit and devastating regret as she remembers. As far as Andrew was concerned, the relationship was a fling nothing serious. That little boy, with the blue eyes and pudgy cheeks. Cpl. I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. I didn't even know why I was going, other than Mom didn't want. Absolutely riveting.i couldn't put it down, and was completely draw in and addicted. Just before 6 a.m. the next day, a park visitor found Andrew Bagbys frost-covered body lying face down in the parking lot. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) It's either in my closet or my bedroom. I, was like, `Hi, buddy.' Was it a tight bond? Once David completed his engineering degree, the Bagbys were intent on starting a family. I mean, we would never, disagree with her or fight with her about anything unless there was real. And he'd be like(turns. I'll never understand why. Sitting with Kate and David in the sunny house where they raised their son, its almost as if they can see those days right in front of their eyes. IRS delays tax deadline for Bay Area, but California hasn't followed: What should you do? Their sons killer was off the streets and their grandchild would come live with them. IE 11 is not supported. Mommy loves you. Mother a murderer. I hate it. Zachary, I love you, baby. And Shears says his mother was good to him when he was a child. Kate, the compassionate nurse with the unshakable religious faith. I said, `Andrew,' I said, `be serious. They have a network of supporters. One contains the remains of their son, Dr. Andrew Bagby. MORRISON: What do you do about this? substance to it. Reviewed in the United States on October 1, 2022. And a desire to write about a Canadian justice system that is fatally flawed. KATE: (To Zachary) Kurt knew your daddy when he was a little boy. It's great. Much of this DATELINE report incorporates material from Kurt's documentary, as well as something else: the childhood films he made as he taught himself his craft. It turns out Shirley owned a .22 caliber handgun, which she acquired while living in Iowa. KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. As Kate and David talk about their son, you can see the teamwork. Id say, `Oh, its so good to see you. And hed say, `Its so good to be seen.'. One of Davids shipmates knew the parents of Kates friend well and he knew Kate and her friend were anxious to see the sights. In this brutally tragic true story a Father (David Bagby, author) and Mother deal with the slaying of their son by his ex-girlfriend. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Just got up. Twelve years older, she became obsessed with him. For the second time, the Bagbys were left stunned at the leniency of the courts. Ive never seen people react more passionately, intensely. He said, `What can happen?'. When the Bagbys visited the mortuary and saw Zachary's tiny body covered by a white sheet, they fell apart. I would really like for you and Kate. Late the next night, Turner put Zachary in a car and drove in intermittent heavy rain from St. Johns to Kelligrews on the Atlantic Ocean. David Bagby. quiet. Scott Adams faces 'consequence culture' as U.S. newspapers drop Dilbert, Tom Cruise's 'ditching' of Suri showcased by Judd Apatow's 'co-parenting' joke, ex-Scientology exec says. She was coming here to take care of me. I--we both did. Their relationship with the woman who killed their son was unimaginable. Turner, despite being under orders to avoid contact with the couple, sent them photographs of the baby and a "baby book" so they could fill out their side of a family tree. The couple's long fight for legal changes in Canada ended Wednesday with a new law. This is a fascinating,horrific and humbling read. This is a heartbreaking book written about Andrew Bagby and also about his son Zachary by Andrew's dad David Bagby. After the child was born the clearly mentally-ill mother wrecked havok on the grandparents lives. The workers notes say Turner spent most of the time talking about a planned interview with CBSs 48 Hours. The TV news magazine would give her a chance to tell her side of the story. And I, wanted to scream, `My son's life is on hold forever, and you have the audacity, to apologize to this accused murderer?' We don't--we don't gush very much. Andrew, of all people, seemed to have no enemies at all. She's also a market partner with the Monat brand, which sells hair care and wellness products. And this book was okay. I had this overwhelming feeling. What if she is backed in a. corner? He made sure to wrap Zachary in a blanket (rather than a bag) and kept him as far away from Shirley's corpse as he could. A well written memoir by a father who son was murdered by an ex-girlfriend that was pregnant with his son's child. MORRISON: Was she taunting them, they wondered? His arguments towards the refusal of parole for alleged murderers is superb and really shows how idiotic the laws can be. Extensive research, law proceedings are all included as well as other crimes that happened while the story takes place.Excellent read. Nobody drives 16 hours after you've just broken up with them.' Zachary was learning some words well, words he understood that Kate and David were sure they understood, too. Yes,they were innocent as well, but I feel it takes a big person to rise abouve it all and not harbour animosity towards those people. We decided that on the plane.. Turner walked to the end of the pier and, holding Zachary against her, jumped into the frigid Atlantic. What they've been doing with their activism is wonderful. You were done. By Zacharys birthday in July 2003, Turners fight against extradition had suffered another blow. With Zachary strapped to her stomach with a sweater, she jumped into the Atlantic Ocean. They hadn't been identified, but it's obvious who they, MORRISON: He was right. But Andrew's murder was only the first in a string of tragic events. Theyll find her. The next thing a police constable is at the door., Two bodies have been found on the beach, the officer said. It is scary and shocking and I found myself admiring them in a way I have admired few and wondering how they managed to go on. MORRISON: The Bagbys said that Shirley would later apologize for, her reaction. Mr. SIMPSON: He said, `You'll never guess who showed up on my doorstep at 5:30.' Zachary Andrew Turner was born July 18, 2002. It was a congloption, Kate says of the menu. Turner and Zachary were in the shallow kiddie pool. would now have to be something else, a visual letter to Andrew's baby. Turner, then 40, drove the 950 miles straight through and arrived at Andrews door at 5 a.m. of a woman and a baby on the beach, and I lost it again. dropping Shirley and their grandboy off at her son T.J.'s home (Photo of Zachary sleeping in car seat; streets passing), KATE: She said, `Wake up, Zachary and say goodbye to your grandparents.'. 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